Gawa · Jun 21, 2007, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by DirtyDirty

I still don't understand why it's so important to get gold. GW gold is not real money, and you collect money buy just playing through the game like others have said.

I agree..if someone is simply trying to hoard money for the sake of having lots of it...is not very useful and in fact impo rather daft.

However..those of us who want to play the game at its 'full level' tend to need a lot of gold simply to achieve this.

eg. Aspiring to learn all skills and capture all elites. This is what i am currently attempting. Each skill or capture costs 1000 gold.

I dont have the exact number of skills to hand and cant access wiki to confirm, but i think there are about 300 skills per chapter... say 900 skills.. thats 900,000 gold, nearly 1 million, and thats only 1 character :P

Those who go for othe titles such as treasure hunter or lucky.. lol that is maddness and costs a lot more again.

So, i do agree that being 'rich' is a pointless target, being able to earn enough gold to complete skills is a standard part of the game.. and one which costs waaaaaaay to much.

Sadly, the average new player, must learn about farming builds and go do the long grind. I scraped through the game with generally 1k max until i in the last week have been forced to learn how to solo farm so i can afford to learn more skills.

So in essence - compelte the game, turn on Hard Mode and test and test until you get a build that allows you to solo Farm as efficiently as possible, the learn skill you want, farm, learn skill etc :s

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Originally Posted by Jedi

..Power trading...All it takes is some patience and knowledge of the market.

hehe you forgot to mention the small point of that you need to be rich in the first place

impo power trading is the rich staying rich. Fair play if people want to do it, i wont knock them for it at all; but something about it doesnt feel right to me personally and thus i would never do it. Its all quite silly because none of it is real... spending 100k or whatever on an item that is technically worth maybe 400 gold or whatever ... lol

DirtyDirty · Jun 21, 2007, 12:12 PM // 12:12

Ok, I think I'm beginning to understand more.

So mainly the reason why players want more money is because they want better skills to use. And what you're saying is that the fastest way to reach that goal is to build up your gold. And so this is where the 'craze' comes from? From wanting to have all the best skills in the game? Ok; I'm learning the ropes now.

So if the true objective is the skills and not the gold, then is there an alternate method for gaining them? Or is farming for gold the only way to unlock the best game skills? It would seem the slowest way is to play the game yourself and buy them with your money. And the faster way in comparison is to farm gold and sell items/services in the game. Is there a next step up from that or is this the answer that all the players understand? If somebody desperately wanted to have those skills more than anything, would they only have these 2 options? I am curious to know if people use another e-service to "buy" skills/gold from other players; or if those actions are not allowed buy the creators of GW. I am very interested in this now because I am aware that in other Online RPGs there are people who pay monthly fees, yet GW is not one of them. And does that fact that GW is free Online play make it a less "Time-Investment" kind of game? Are the games where people pay-to-play more serious about 'time investment' VS 'in-game acquisition'?

Gawa · Jun 21, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by DirtyDirty

So mainly the reason why players want more money is because they want better skills to use. And what you're saying is that the fastest way to reach that goal is to build up your gold.

So if the true objective is the skills and not the gold, then is there an alternate method for gaining them? Or is farming for gold the only way to unlock the best game skills?

(you can 'unlock' skills by buying the PvP edition of each game, in the GW online store. This does not give all your PvE chars the skills though, you still need to do points 1 and 2 below (or possibly for elites you could use elite tomes..but they are even more expensive than 1k)

Well..most people do want to learn more skills and to do so they need to do 2 things.

1. Buy the skills using (generally) 1000 gold and 1 skill points. (normal skills)
2. Buy Signet of Captures which cost 1000 gold and 1 skill point. (elite skills)

To get elite skills you also have to find and kill each relevant Boss that uses that skill.

To me personally, spending gold on skills is the most 'valid' reason to need and gain gold ingame. Buying 'pretty' armour isnt my thing, though others do like to do it, so there are people who try to gain a lot of gold to buy such items.

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It would seem the slowest way is to play the game yourself and buy them with your money. And the faster way in comparison is to farm gold and sell items/services in the game. Is there a next step up from that or is this the answer that all the players understand?

Generally yes, farming/services is more a more efficient earner in a strict time/gain perspective, than simply playing through the game.

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If somebody desperately wanted to have those skills more than anything, would they only have these 2 options?

Legally, yes those are the only options - normal play / farming / services / trading.

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I am curious to know if people use another e-service to "buy" skills/gold from other players; or if those actions are not allowed buy the creators of GW.

Unfortunately there are people who sell ingame gold for real world cash. This is expressly against the rules set out by ANet in GW and thus is banable to buy or sell ingame gold for real money. (but no, you couldnt buy the skills even if you wanted...you still need skill points which you can only gain by playing the game)

Akhilleus · Jun 26, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Gawa

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hehe you forgot to mention the small point of that you need to be rich in the first place

untrue.
i started trading with about 2,000gp to my name and a handful of dyes.
it took me less than a week to hit my first 100k, before my first character was even level 20.
its just a matter of learning the prices. finding people who will sell items for less than you can resell them for isnt the issue, it happens all the time (literally) the hard part is knowing prices well enough to be able to recognize a deal when you see one and knowing wheather or not the profit margin is worth the risk of potential loss of investment and the investment in time it will take to resell the item.
when it comes to powertrading i'd say 50% of it is knowing prices, 25% is knowing the profit to time/risk ratio, 15% is how much investment capital (starting cash) you have available, and 10% is who you know in the trading world.

Antheus · Jun 26, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Ok, I think I'm beginning to understand more.

So mainly the reason why players want more money is because they want better skills to use. And what you're saying is that the fastest way to reach that goal is to build up your gold. And so this is where the 'craze' comes from? From wanting to have all the best skills in the game? Ok; I'm learning the ropes now.

I wanted money so that I could afford anything I wanted on the spot, whenever and wherever.

Then again, I've never bought a rare or prestigous item, since I simply don't care about that. As such, the largest sales I've ever needed to do were in the 100k range (a fully runed/inscribed set of armor, for example).

Why money? Why pvp? Why titles? Why finish the game? Why play at all?

There is no "right" way to play. So there is no need to justify it.

In GW, money won't buy you power, skill or advantage. There are many ways to grind those now, but money is completely unrelated to that, and always has been.

And as such, it has always been a vanity item by definition, unlike games where you need money so that you can buy gear good enough to even compete.

Jun 21, 2007, 12:12 PM // 12:12	#22
DirtyDirty Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2007 Profession: R/	Ok, I think I'm beginning to understand more. So mainly the reason why players want more money is because they want better skills to use. And what you're saying is that the fastest way to reach that goal is to build up your gold. And so this is where the 'craze' comes from? From wanting to have all the best skills in the game? Ok; I'm learning the ropes now. So if the true objective is the skills and not the gold, then is there an alternate method for gaining them? Or is farming for gold the only way to unlock the best game skills? It would seem the slowest way is to play the game yourself and buy them with your money. And the faster way in comparison is to farm gold and sell items/services in the game. Is there a next step up from that or is this the answer that all the players understand? If somebody desperately wanted to have those skills more than anything, would they only have these 2 options? I am curious to know if people use another e-service to "buy" skills/gold from other players; or if those actions are not allowed buy the creators of GW. I am very interested in this now because I am aware that in other Online RPGs there are people who pay monthly fees, yet GW is not one of them. And does that fact that GW is free Online play make it a less "Time-Investment" kind of game? Are the games where people pay-to-play more serious about 'time investment' VS 'in-game acquisition'?